Retail focused vs Real Estate focused seems unbalanced

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Purifier
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Retail focused vs Real Estate focused seems unbalanced

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Hi David,

Could you please look into the following.
In me first scenario with the Service Industry DLC, the Retail focused AI build way way way more commercial buildings then the Real Estate focused companies. In my script i defined 2 AI companies to be Real Estate and 22 Retail focused, along with others for bank,stock,insurance etc but those are no the point of interest in this post.
In the first 2 screenshots below you see the 2 Real Estate companies, which both in a span of only 3 years build a whole total of 1 and 2 commercial buildings.
The 3rd and 4th show 2 of the 22 retail focused which in the same years span build a whole total of 1 shop and up to 9 !! commercial buildings.
Now there are a couple of Retail focused who only build shops, but more then halve seem to focus on commercial buildings, while the Real Estate companies seem not interested in expanding.
Now this is world completely defined through a script, which causes the game to start with an office Supply/demand of over -50.

My thoughts of causes:
- Do the Real Estate companies know what to do with the Shop area in the new buildings?
- Are the retail companies to much keen on the extra income that commercial (and appartments for that) buildings provide beside the Shop area?
- Do the Real Estate companies start with a to low amount of cash to start expanding (like banking and Insurance companies do)?
- Does my script create a to unbalanced world for the AI to 'exploit"? -i can provide the script if wanted :)

I can provide the savegame if you want, all DLC enabled + Future World mod

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Re: Retail focused vs Real Estate focused seems unbalanced

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A good example in the screenshot below.
In the span of just 2 weeks, 2 General stores where build, compared to 11 Commercial buildings, all by Retail Focused companies.
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Re: Retail focused vs Real Estate focused seems unbalanced

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Hmm just now noticed something in the screenshot, on July 26th is says Evolved Unlimited (thats me) build a Department store in a shopping mall in Rotterdam. That building is not a shopping mall (per se) but a commercial building.
Do the AI companies think of the store spaces in commercial buildings think of them as Malls perhaps, for which since they are the owner don't have to pay rent (which is technically correct).
I have build 2 malls in the game and placed a couple of my own stores inside to create attraction points, set the start rent to 75% and renewal to 70%, so far only 1 AI company started renting space with a store and that is one of the AI companies which does NOT build commercial buildings but only stores.
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Re: Retail focused vs Real Estate focused seems unbalanced

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Purifier wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:46 pm I can provide the savegame if you want, all DLC enabled + Future World mod
It will help us investigate the issue if you could provide the save game.
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Re: Retail focused vs Real Estate focused seems unbalanced

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Hi David,

You can download the save file from my google drive:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19pREBW ... sp=sharing

The save is bout 2 years further in the game.

An interesting thing, the Office space demand has been fulfilled, AI companies beside that don't seem to want to build factories.

I am afraid my script provided a very interesting gameplay hahahahaha
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Re: Retail focused vs Real Estate focused seems unbalanced

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Purifier wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:46 pm - Do the Real Estate companies know what to do with the Shop area in the new buildings?
Yes, they do.
Purifier wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:46 pm - Are the retail companies to much keen on the extra income that commercial (and appartments for that) buildings provide beside the Shop area?
The latest version 11.0.55 has fixed this. Please download the patch from viewtopic.php?t=10200
Purifier wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:46 pm - Do the Real Estate companies start with a too low amount of cash to start expanding (like banking and Insurance companies do)?
Yes, this is the reason. If you start a game with the AI having more capital, they will buy land and build apartments on the land they own.
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