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In your view, how should all these be presented on a UI in a way that the user won't get overwhelmed?Yes, as well as soil acidity. I was thinking about it, I think ranges are a way to go, an ideal range, an tolerated range
If we develop it as a DLC, as opposite to a new game, the regions are probably going to look like the mock-up screenshots I posted earlier aton the left they pick a crop, in the middle they pick a city/region, on the right they pick a month
Do you think it would be a bit tedious requiring the user to click on each world map tile to find the ideal region? As you know, there are so many world map tiles.If we have regions that are unnamed, the Farming guide would instead of cities and regions show the world map, updated by selecting crops. We would calculate the bell curve of every world map tile based on its features.
Yes, I believe that it is possible to adjust amounts of oceans, as the dev team told me that it is a fairly standard fractal map generator. But in the CES DLC, the player can only found a city on a world map tile that mostly comprises of plains. So when there is too much ocean, there will be fewer tiles to select from for founding new cities.I would like to learn about the current map generator capabilities. for example, it seems to be able to simulate plains, hills, mountains, lakes, oceans? can we adjust amounts of oceans, because at the moment it looks rather inverse to what it should be.
Do the amounts of nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K) in the soil needed to be taken into account in the simulation?Accoding to the next image, it looks like soil acidity correlates with certain biomes, like dry hot/desert zones are more likely to be alcaline, forested regions and wetlants are more acidic.
How about rainfall distribution throughout the year? For instance, in a Mediterranean climate, the summer is dry. In a tropical climate, there is lots of rainfall in the summer. Does this have to be simulated in the game? If so, how should the data be presented to the player?Precipitation (rainfall) is stronger around the aequator and lower in the deserts biomes, higher near mountains when closer to oceans.
I clicked on the link you provided. It is a very nice web-based app.Humidity (RH, relative humidity) is mostly a function of rainfall and temperature, but also stronger near water bodies, and because of that fluctuates per year, see some nice represenentation here.
whereas temperature is mostly a function of distance from aequator, month of year and distance to oceans.
My view is that a real map will have greater appeal to gamers, but using the current CES world map will be easier to implement.If we use earth as real map, the data can be derived from the usual sources, MetOffice etc. Not sure what the Unity package provides, I am not experienced with Unity enough yet. But in case of random continental climate simulation. I haven't found a good climate simulator online, but this app might help: http://www.weathergraphics.com/climasim/. Maybe they have an CLI to feed in a continent model and they return you numbers for the clima per month or so.
The world map would be colored according to the suitability of the selected crop. The user only would have to pick one of the more positively colored tiles.David wrote: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:48 pmDo you think it would be a bit tedious requiring the user to click on each world map tile to find the ideal region? As you know, there are so many world map tiles.If we have regions that are unnamed, the Farming guide would instead of cities and regions show the world map, updated by selecting crops. We would calculate the bell curve of every world map tile based on its features.
In a way the game would be a bit difficult if there are more then 20 cities on the map anyways...David wrote: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:48 pmYes, I believe that it is possible to adjust amounts of oceans, as the dev team told me that it is a fairly standard fractal map generator. But in the CES DLC, the player can only found a city on a world map tile that mostly comprises of plains. So when there is too much ocean, there will be fewer tiles to select from for founding new cities.I would like to learn about the current map generator capabilities. for example, it seems to be able to simulate plains, hills, mountains, lakes, oceans? can we adjust amounts of oceans, because at the moment it looks rather inverse to what it should be.
Not on the map selection, because this is a fertilization issue that would be in the hand of the farmer. We might abstract it to a property "Soil Fertility" that the Farm would manage per crop unit by purchasing "Fertilizer". Producing fertilizers with different concentrations to mitigate different nutrient deficiencies and applying them manually might be a bit too micromanaging. I am imagining a 3x3 unit for the farm where you link simply a fertilizer supplier and link it with Crop Growing Units, which automatically takes as much fertilizer from it to reach its optimum soil fertility. Without such a unit linked or without fertilizer supplied the spoil fertility for that unit drops per harvest by some percent, impacting yield and quality. Setting the unit to idle will slowly recover it, or growing some cover crop. Some Farms might need additional watering, too, to mitigate lack of rain.Groundwater levels should be simulated per region, if someone builds water wells.David wrote: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:48 pmDo the amounts of nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K) in the soil needed to be taken into account in the simulation?Accoding to the next image, it looks like soil acidity correlates with certain biomes, like dry hot/desert zones are more likely to be alcaline, forested regions and wetlants are more acidic.
Indeed, Rainfall follows seasons, but there are averages for each month of the year with deviation known for each tile, so picking a random value from that gaussian random function would be good enough for simulation.David wrote: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:48 pmHow about rainfall distribution throughout the year? For instance, in a Mediterranean climate, the summer is dry. In a tropical climate, there is lots of rainfall in the summer. Does this have to be simulated in the game? If so, how should the data be presented to the player?Precipitation (rainfall) is stronger around the aequator and lower in the deserts biomes, higher near mountains when closer to oceans.
I might come up with a function for you, that would provide you with the necessary data, provided that you have object oriented calls, because that would be a pain to convert to and from byte arraysDavid wrote: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:48 pmThe world map in CES which is derived from a fractal map, is nothing like a real world map. If we eventually decide to develop this, would you be able to provide more exact implementation details (something that a programmer can understand plainly) as to how a world map tile in the CES DLC can be initialized for all these different weather attributes?
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function generateClimaModel(tile[][]) //latitude, longitude
tile:= {
elevation:=measureType, // unit: meters. (please USA, go metric, pretty please)
biome:=biomeEnum*, //output
acidity:=double,
temperature:=measureType[]* //month array, output
rainfall:=measureType[]* //month array, output
humidity:=measureType[]* //month array, output
}
measureType:=
{
mean: double,
variance: double,
unit: String
}
biomeEnum:=[FRESHWATER,WETLANDS, MARINE, TUNDRA, RAINFOREST, SAVANNA,TAIGA, TEMPERATE_FOREST, TEMPERATE_GRASSLAND, ALPINE, CHAPARRAL, DESERT] //
different zoom levels for different features. at the current state having one more zoom levels for farming needs would probably fine, as crop fields are so much larger in RW. But even that is more a nice to have.David wrote: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:48 pmMy view is that a real map will have greater appeal to gamers, but using the current CES world map will be easier to implement.If we use earth as real map, the data can be derived from the usual sources, MetOffice etc. Not sure what the Unity package provides, I am not experienced with Unity enough yet. But in case of random continental climate simulation. I haven't found a good climate simulator online, but this app might help: http://www.weathergraphics.com/climasim/. Maybe they have an CLI to feed in a continent model and they return you numbers for the clima per month or so.
For a real map, the challenge is not only with obtain the data, but how exactly the UI and the different level of zoom levels should be available to the player. Honestly, I do not have any ideas on all these yet. I am just saying that in general a real world map will be more eye-catching and people can associate it more easily than a random generated map, when the gameplay centers around making the right decisions on planting crops around the world to maximize profits.
So how should the sowing month of a crop be determined? Should it mainly depend on the temperature?Indeed, Rainfall follows seasons, but there are averages for each month of the year with deviation known for each tile, so picking a random value from that gaussian random function would be good enough for simulation.
All you stated above makes a lot of sense. How would you suggest modifying the crop's attribute list to incorporate all these?By the way, while looking at the Food Mod efforts I noticed we have to be aware of different kind of Harvestables. Simple plants like Green Salad or Carrots can be planted at any time and harvested a few weeks/months later, as long as being sowed within temperature limits in their growing phase. Crop Growing Units should have a setting for when to start the first growing cycle, defaulting to the first month with expected acceptable conditions, and then repeat harvest and seeding for as often as making sense in the given climate - might be all around the year.
Some Harvestables require more than a year of to grow - for example apples come from trees that require a few years from seed to harvest. We can of course say that we plant almost grown Fruit trees, but that sounds a bit silly. Plantation fruits grow differently and we should maybe have them as separate Farm facilities. Plantation would maintain a number of trees or bushes and it might take a few years to harvest first time. Plantation does not maintain a sowing months, but will have a Harvesting season.